Comments for The Chronicle of Artistic Failure in America http://www.artisticfailure.com Where hope springs eternal in the eye of the artist. Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:39:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 Comment on My graduate seminar at CCA is a fail: A Statement by Jeanne Finley by admin http://www.artisticfailure.com/2009/04/27/my-graduate-seminar-at-cca-is-a-fail-a-statement-by-jeanne-finley/#comment-2369 admin Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:31:02 +0000 http://www.artisticfailure.com/2009/04/27/my-graduate-seminar-at-cca-is-a-fail-a-statement-by-jeanne-finley/#comment-2369 Hi Jessamyn, Thank you for the note. Good luck with your Epic Fail assignment. I agree with your assessment, and I assume Jeanne may also. I'll send you a note offline in case you'd like to contact her regarding this post and her Failure class. Best, -MF Hi Jessamyn,
Thank you for the note. Good luck with your Epic Fail assignment. I agree with your assessment, and I assume Jeanne may also. I’ll send you a note offline in case you’d like to contact her regarding this post and her Failure class. Best,
-MF

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Comment on My graduate seminar at CCA is a fail: A Statement by Jeanne Finley by Jessamyn Lovell http://www.artisticfailure.com/2009/04/27/my-graduate-seminar-at-cca-is-a-fail-a-statement-by-jeanne-finley/#comment-2367 Jessamyn Lovell Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:24:59 +0000 http://www.artisticfailure.com/2009/04/27/my-graduate-seminar-at-cca-is-a-fail-a-statement-by-jeanne-finley/#comment-2367 I LOVED reading this article. I am in the process of trying out an assignment in my Interdisciplinary Foundations class at University of New Mexico called Epic Fail. The grading of the assignment will be based on their own evaluation of their success. It's sad to me that so much focus in grad and undergrad art education these days is on learning PhotoShop or other skills based objectives rather than on the exploration of ideas. I LOVED reading this article. I am in the process of trying out an assignment in my Interdisciplinary Foundations class at University of New Mexico called Epic Fail. The grading of the assignment will be based on their own evaluation of their success. It’s sad to me that so much focus in grad and undergrad art education these days is on learning PhotoShop or other skills based objectives rather than on the exploration of ideas.

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Comment on CAFA QOD: The Art of Failure by Kathleen Vissar http://www.artisticfailure.com/2009/06/17/cafa-qod-the-art-of-failure/#comment-2361 Kathleen Vissar Fri, 13 Jul 2012 05:31:04 +0000 http://www.artisticfailure.com/2009/06/17/cafa-qod-the-art-of-failure/#comment-2361 WoW!! I just read this article and it hit home . For three long intense years (2009-2012) I was one of Chuck Connelly's "short-term acolytes, supporters, and co-dependents who eventually ended up fleeing in disgust from being used." Ha! You have described him to a tee! Boy, I could write a book. Thank God I had the self confidence it took to survive. He quickly moved on to another. There was the ever-present intense fear of ending up alone. It's a running theme in the work. You can see it in the movie. It's rather tragic considering he treats his supporters and the people closest to him horrendously. He usually ends up alone at the end of each day calling the people in his life losers and not being worthy “of walking with History”. I could go on... but in this piece of yours I found your description of this type spot on! I agree with Terrance, “you’ve basically outlined the DSM criteria for diagnosing narcissistic personality disorder…” I believe the romantic myth of the temperamental artist gives these types (like Chuck) a green light to behave accordingly when in reality they have severe mental issues like a narcissistic personality disorder (at best) which blinds them socially, (though, usually smart as a whip) preventing the art-superstar success they believe they deserve, therefore, living a very unhappy adult life without the professional counseling they desperately need. It is truly sad to witness. WoW!! I just read this article and it hit home . For three long intense years (2009-2012) I was one of Chuck Connelly’s “short-term acolytes, supporters, and co-dependents who eventually ended up fleeing in disgust from being used.” Ha! You have described him to a tee!

Boy, I could write a book. Thank God I had the self confidence it took to survive. He quickly moved on to another. There was the ever-present intense fear of ending up alone. It’s a running theme in the work. You can see it in the movie. It’s rather tragic considering he treats his supporters and the people closest to him horrendously. He usually ends up alone at the end of each day calling the people in his life losers and not being worthy “of walking with History”. I could go on… but in this piece of yours I found your description of this type spot on!

I agree with Terrance, “you’ve basically outlined the DSM criteria for diagnosing narcissistic personality disorder…” I believe the romantic myth of the temperamental artist gives these types (like Chuck) a green light to behave accordingly when in reality they have severe mental issues like a narcissistic personality disorder (at best) which blinds them socially, (though, usually smart as a whip) preventing the art-superstar success they believe they deserve, therefore, living a very unhappy adult life without the professional counseling they desperately need. It is truly sad to witness.

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Comment on A Quick Post is Better than No Post by admin http://www.artisticfailure.com/2008/11/15/a-quick-post-is-better-than-no-post/#comment-2354 admin Tue, 29 May 2012 14:40:30 +0000 http://www.artisticfailure.com/2008/11/15/a-quick-post-is-better-than-no-post/#comment-2354 Hi Derek: I am of course aware of New Art Examiner; though I never wrote for the publication I have a number of friends who did back in the day. I am definitely interested in learning more about a potential relaunch. I'll contact you off-site. Cheers! -MF Hi Derek:
I am of course aware of New Art Examiner; though I never wrote for the publication I have a number of friends who did back in the day. I am definitely interested in learning more about a potential relaunch. I’ll contact you off-site.
Cheers!
-MF

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Comment on A Quick Post is Better than No Post by derek guthrie http://www.artisticfailure.com/2008/11/15/a-quick-post-is-better-than-no-post/#comment-2352 derek guthrie Sat, 26 May 2012 14:50:51 +0000 http://www.artisticfailure.com/2008/11/15/a-quick-post-is-better-than-no-post/#comment-2352 Hi Michael Falcon, Your post makes more sense to me than most things that I have read. i do not know if you are aware of The New Art Examiner" or the Essential New Art Examiner" If not please check it out on Google search. or neoteric Art Site. long long story There is a group forming in Chicago with the idea to see if a relaunch is possible. Times change. but the issues remain. Which is somehow criticism has to present with depending on market forces. This is an old dream that made the NAE possible for many years. Maybe be again . if you have interest please respond. derek guthrie Hi Michael Falcon, Your post makes more sense to me than most things that I have read. i do not know if you are aware of The New
Art Examiner” or the Essential New Art Examiner” If not please check it out on Google search. or neoteric Art Site. long long story
There is a group forming in Chicago with the idea to see if a relaunch is possible. Times change. but the issues remain. Which is somehow criticism has to present with depending on market forces. This is an old dream that made the NAE possible for many years. Maybe be again . if you have interest please respond. derek guthrie

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Comment on In art and publishing: Sometimes you win, most of the time you fail by derek guthrie http://www.artisticfailure.com/2008/03/02/in-art-and-publishing-sometimes-you-win-most-of-the-time-you-fail/#comment-2350 derek guthrie Fri, 18 May 2012 12:35:33 +0000 http://www.artisticfailure.com/2008/03/02/in-art-and-publishing-sometimes-you-win-most-of-the-time-you-fail/#comment-2350 I have just discovered our web site. it is fantastic. I was the co founder with Jane Addams Allen. Recently An anthology was published The essential new art examiner. by NIU Press. Please check out Neoteric Art Site and Google search to see response. This publishing has caused some in the community to organise to relaunch.Very much would I enjoy meeting you as I sense that we share much in thinking. I hope to return to Chicago in the late Fall. In the meantime I WOULD ENJOY correspondence with you. derek guthrie I have just discovered our web site. it is fantastic. I was the co founder with Jane Addams Allen. Recently An anthology
was published The essential new art examiner. by NIU Press. Please check out Neoteric Art Site and Google search to see response.
This publishing has caused some in the community to organise to relaunch.Very much would I enjoy meeting you as I sense that we share much in thinking. I hope to return to Chicago in the late Fall. In the meantime I WOULD ENJOY correspondence with you.
derek guthrie

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Comment on The Unknown (and never to be known) Masterpiece of the failed artist by Chris S http://www.artisticfailure.com/2008/04/18/the-unknown-and-never-to-be-known-masterpiece-of-the-failed-artist/#comment-2349 Chris S Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:29:00 +0000 http://www.artisticfailure.com/2008/04/18/the-unknown-and-never-to-be-known-masterpiece-of-the-failed-artist/#comment-2349 Have you ever thought that Balzac was just showing the tragedy oif the failure of other artists to see the greatness of Frenhofer? I agree totally with the problem of rational self-analysis of ones work. As a composer, during the process, because I am relistening over and over again the piece of music I am writing, I know there are times I must take a break oir transfer my focus elsewhere. On the other hand wasn't some of Picasso's and the cubist's paintings seens as bad or work of madman? What about Monet? You are correct the story is about a distorted perception of one's work --- but it may be that Balzac is illuminating a distortion that has more nuances than your analysis offers. Have you ever thought that Balzac was just showing the tragedy oif the failure of other artists to see the greatness of Frenhofer?

I agree totally with the problem of rational self-analysis of ones work. As a composer, during the process, because I am relistening over and over again the piece of music I am writing, I know there are times I must take a break oir transfer my focus elsewhere.

On the other hand wasn’t some of Picasso’s and the cubist’s paintings seens as bad or work of madman? What about Monet?

You are correct the story is about a distorted perception of one’s work — but it may be that Balzac is illuminating a distortion that has more nuances than your analysis offers.

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Comment on Why the Struggles of Artists Matter (and why we need to battle artistic failure) by Robin http://www.artisticfailure.com/2007/09/28/why-the-struggles-of-artists-matters/#comment-2345 Robin Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:25:38 +0000 http://www.artisticfailure.com/2007/09/28/why-the-struggles-of-artists-matters/#comment-2345 Vince was a truly brilliant man. I remember he was worth so much more than what material life he had. Everyone knew this. I remember he has so much love and respect from the flocks of young artists that grew from The Kansas City Art Institute, where his art was so respected that the chair of Sculpture, Dale Eldred, kept him as permanant visiting artist with his own work area. He also had a lot of protection from teachers and loyal friends. He was a dear friend. Vince was a truly brilliant man. I remember he was worth so much more than what material life he had. Everyone knew this. I remember he has so much love and respect from the flocks of young artists that grew from The Kansas City Art Institute, where his art was so respected that the chair of Sculpture, Dale Eldred, kept him as permanant visiting artist with his own work area. He also had a lot of protection from teachers and loyal friends. He was a dear friend.

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Comment on CAFA QOD: The Art of Failure by LR http://www.artisticfailure.com/2009/06/17/cafa-qod-the-art-of-failure/#comment-2342 LR Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:32:56 +0000 http://www.artisticfailure.com/2009/06/17/cafa-qod-the-art-of-failure/#comment-2342 If you're a female artist, people call you a lesbo, bitch, maneater, ball-buster, or slut. Which is why women quit their artistic careers when they enter relationships and get married and parents discourage their daughters from being artists as well. It's no wonder artistic, creative women suffer more domestic violence in their families, relationships, and marriages, that is if their partner and family members lack creativity. Same goes with male artists, they also suffer abuse from non creative women and their families but non creative women often cheat on them more with non creative men who they see as manly, especially in North America where homophobia, perfectionism, and heterosexism run very rampant. It's hard for artists to get into relationships and get married, especially to non creative, non art appreciative types. There will always be abuse and, in the case of male artists, their female partners will often cheat on them with more manlier men because it's easy to think male artists are sissies and not masculine enough to protect them and have intercourse with them. If you’re a female artist, people call you a lesbo, bitch, maneater, ball-buster, or slut. Which is why women quit their artistic careers when they enter relationships and get married and parents discourage their daughters from being artists as well. It’s no wonder artistic, creative women suffer more domestic violence in their families, relationships, and marriages, that is if their partner and family members lack creativity. Same goes with male artists, they also suffer abuse from non creative women and their families but non creative women often cheat on them more with non creative men who they see as manly, especially in North America where homophobia, perfectionism, and heterosexism run very rampant. It’s hard for artists to get into relationships and get married, especially to non creative, non art appreciative types. There will always be abuse and, in the case of male artists, their female partners will often cheat on them with more manlier men because it’s easy to think male artists are sissies and not masculine enough to protect them and have intercourse with them.

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Comment on CAFA QOD: The Art of Failure by Stewart Forrest http://www.artisticfailure.com/2009/06/17/cafa-qod-the-art-of-failure/#comment-2099 Stewart Forrest Mon, 21 Nov 2011 03:20:41 +0000 http://www.artisticfailure.com/2009/06/17/cafa-qod-the-art-of-failure/#comment-2099 To see excellant examples of artistic delusion, just watch "American Idol -worst auditions". It almost seems that the more delusional a person is, the worse their performance. So much for "thought creates reality" To see excellant examples of artistic delusion, just watch “American Idol -worst auditions”.
It almost seems that the more delusional a person is, the worse their performance.
So much for “thought creates reality”

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